Gandalf The Greek wrote:Gentleman's agreement will apply if they accept. In this case there is no way.
Gandalf The Greek wrote:Also, it seems with classes instead of star card system the next game will be far different than this game and hopefully better with equalized classes and with spawn system (spawntrapping for instance or extremely predictable spawns).
Gandalf The Greek wrote:But it is true that even with if it needs more skill than automatic gun, EE3 is the top gun and you don't find a "middle ground". Not even limit it to some players instead. And yes it would affect the gameplay. Probably same teams winning now because (of their great teamwork and tactic) would still won, but it would not be so easy.
Gandalf The Greek wrote:Finally Ì don't know if it was you about DH 17 or a vote. Still it was non logical since EE3 is better in most maps.
Reviem wrote:I'm down for banning the EE-3. It'll make it fun since most of the scene has been using the same gun for a while. Lets switch it up a bit.
Reviem wrote:I agree with the guy above me for some of his stated reasons such as adding variety and making it much more fun. Kinda boring with 99% of people running around with EE-3 nowadays. Why not try it out for DZ4? Could be fun and it'll be good to run into other guns in competitive. I say we give it a shot and implement it into DZ4.
HoboMan6525 wrote:Some believe that banning the ee-3 will lead to players simply moving to the next best weapon. Is it clear what the next best weapon is? Based on what i have observed, the removal of the ee-3 leaves no real clear applicant for the 2nd best gun.
HoboMan6525 wrote:He made a point about taking the typical finalist out of their comfort zone by taking away their weapon of choice. That is the greatest measurement of a quality player, How would the "Best of the best" perform if they lose their only weapon. It is the players that can adapt that set themselves apart.
Gandalf The Greek wrote:I don't aim to discourage people to enter the DZ4 tournament. It was out of pure interest of making tournaments of a game with so many weaknesses better experience.
You are a great organizer but I believe you didn't take action soon enough for the rules. For me, even if this happens it's a bit late! In 5 months the game will be "replaced" if Dice/EA manage to make a good sequel game.
It looks like a couple of them are in total agreement with you, which is a surprise to me. So again it's a good thing you made the post as I would have never expected them to want something like this, and they might not have have said anything without your post.Gandalf The Greek wrote:Sorry if any APOC member felt targeted. For me Reviem is the best PS4 active player in matter of gunfight and strategic positioning/loadouts! He is the Roger Federer of the SWBF PS4!
iiGoHamOnYou wrote:I am all for it. Ban the EE-3. The PC community on Battlefront has already been doing this for months and are now doing scrims with "class based" rules to prepare for Battlefront 2 (2017). We should try something new next tournament, either multi mode tournament, class system tournament or this banning ee-3 idea works well.
However I would strongly considering banning the se-14c as well due to the fact it is also a burst weapon and is banned in PC scrims. EE-4 and TL-50 should always remain banned no matter what.
Mike wrote: 2 factors that make me lean towards allowing it. The first is that over the past year, it seems only very few teams or players ever complained on the site or to me about the gun. Because of that it appears to me that this current meta is enjoyable.
Mike wrote:The second is that I think the gun is a little hard to use (not super hard but it still takes some time) and players liked that because it created somewhat of a skill gap in primary weapons. I think it's possible that removing this could make things stupid / unfun. Those are my only warning signs of why not to do it pretty much. I am more indifferent to this than it probably appears, just trying to point out the other side of things.
HoboMan6525 wrote:I also think not many people have been very outgoing to the community representatives about their thoughts and opinions. Besides the ee-4 issue in cargo 3 there hasn't been a lot of people expressing their views and opinions to the community which may be why we haven't heard much about it. That's no one fault but those that wont express themselves on the site but could be another explanation.
HoboMan6525 wrote:I disagree completely, Maybe when thee ee-3 was first being introduced into competitive the players that mastered the ee-3 the fastest (which i dont think is hard to do) may have had the advantage over all the other players still using the other guns. Today i think we need something to ignite a spark in this community and i think that spark needs to be variety. Theres no skillgap when we all have the same equal equipment. It only comes down to who can shoot it the fastest. All the players in this community will never get any better with the ee-3. They're already as "Masterful" with the gun as they can be. We all have the same weapon to shoot each other with. If i shoot tragyk in the back with my ee-3 then he going to die. Is that masterful? If i have a T-21 and he has a dh-17 and i shoot him in the back hes going to turn around and drop me.
HoboMan6525 wrote:So with more guns involved ive got to think about how i approach each situation with my gun, Or i need to change my gun to fit my needs. I dont want to be handed a gunfight victory because i shot first. I want to think about how to fight with my enemy. with a long range rifle i want to make sure i keep my enemies at a range. With a pistol ive got to bring the fight into close quarters to win the gunfight.
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